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#13937063 Jan 07, 2019 at 01:12 PM
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Hello all,

So looking for some honest opinions on where to go on my sorcerer. I keep reading that I should pull 25k on a 3mil dummy rather easily and I just cannot get there. I have spent hours on testing and who knows how much money on different gear sets, etc to try and reach the 25k mark. I know it isn't all about dps for endgame as the dummy doesn't do mechs or hit you back. However I feel it's a good measure on where you are at overall on a build. So before a post my stats and dummy parse let me start by saying I have read most all build guides for magsorc out there. I have tested most all magic sets including Mother's Sorrow, Spinners. Necro, Burning Spell Weave, Tourug's Pac, Queens Elegance as well as every monster set other than Zaan and Ilambris (damn RNG). I use the rotation most use and while not perfect i dont think it's that far off.

I am not sure exactly what someone with my CP (286 currently) should be pulling in terms of dps but from what i read I am not hitting it. So if anyone can tell me where and what I am going wrong it would be really helpful.

Also, i know a few of my gear peices dont have the right trait or weight (again RNG hate me with a passion) but not sure 6.5% makes an overall difference.

Rotation:

LL-->LA-->EB-->LA-->Pet 2-->LA-->pet2-->LA--> Bar Swap Prey-->HA
*pet2 skill only used every other rotation as dot is 15 seconds
**pet2 not in the rotation at all after target goes below 50% health


Gear/Skill/CP Setup:





Parse 1:



Parse 2:
https://i.imgur.com/NFdLBcy.png
#13937103 Jan 07, 2019 at 03:55 PM
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Pot uptime and elemental drain.
#13937129 Jan 07, 2019 at 02:52 PM · Edited 14 days ago
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The rotation I use is:
LL-LA-EB-LA-<swap>-VF-LA-DP-HA-HA-<swap>

Pretty similar but it includes heavy attacks for sustain. Even with 52k magicka, I can burn through that in 2.5 rotations without heavy attacks.

Some notes- weave in Spellpower pots and surge so they are up 100% and have someone toss elemental drain on the dummy while doing the parse.

Gear wise, I'm using Siroria's/Necropotence/Illambris. I use both pets with a flame staff on my LL/EB bar and Lightning staff on the other with opposing enchants so that I can proc both the fire and lightning illambris procs at the same time.

Keep in mind also that CP plays a big part in the numbers you hear people talking about but 25k should definitely be attainable on a dummy at your CP level.
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#13937132 Jan 07, 2019 at 02:58 PM · Edited 14 days ago
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#13937129 Infidelux wrote:

The rotation I use is:
LL-LA-EB-LA-<swap>-VF-LA-DP-HA-HA-<swap>

Pretty similar but it includes heavy attacks for sustain. Even with 52k magicka, I can burn through that in 2.5 rotations without heavy attacks.

Some notes- weave in Spellpower pots and surge so they are up 100% and have someone toss elemental drain on the dummy while doing the parse.

Gear wise, I'm using Siroria's/Necropotence/Illambris. I use both pets with a flame staff on my LL/EB bar and Lightning staff on the other with opposing enchants so that I can proc both the fire and lightning illambris procs at the same time.

Keep in mind also that CP plays a big part in the numbers you hear people talking about but 25k should definitely be attainable on a dummy at your CP level.



for a parse, if you're using pots- you won't need surge because the other benefit it gives you in a real fight isn't needed (healing on crit). You can replace it with inner light which will boost your magicka or Bound Aegis which will also boost your magicka (for pet sorcs, more magicka = more pet damage = more dps)
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#13937146 Jan 07, 2019 at 03:17 PM
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#13937132 Infidelux wrote:

#13937129 Infidelux wrote:

The rotation I use is:
LL-LA-EB-LA-<swap>-VF-LA-SP-HA-HA-<swap>

Pretty similar but it includes heavy attacks for sustain. Even with 52k magicka, I can burn through that in 2.5 rotations without heavy attacks.

Some notes- weave in Spellpower pots and surge so they are up 100% and have someone toss elemental drain on the dummy while doing the parse.

Gear wise, I'm using Siroria's/Necropotence/Illambris. I use both pets with a flame staff on my LL/EB bar and Lightning staff on the other with opposing enchants so that I can proc both the fire and lightning illambris procs at the same time.

Keep in mind also that CP plays a big part in the numbers you hear people talking about but 25k should definitely be attainable on a dummy at your CP level.



for a parse, if you're using pots- you won't need surge because the other benefit it gives you in a real fight isn't needed (healing on crit). You can replace it with inner light which will boost your magicka or Bound Aegis which will also boost your magicka (for pet sorcs, more magicka = more pet damage = more dps)



When using 2 Heavy attacks in rotation, doesn't LL and EB fall off before you get back around to it? Another question, what is SP in your rotatioin?

On my front bar i use prey, 2 pets, inner light, and bound aegis.
Back bar has LL, EB, HW, 2 pets.

I do use essence of spell power (I think that is the name of it). I will make the tweaks that has been suggested and see what i get.
#13937152 Jan 07, 2019 at 03:25 PM · Edited 14 days ago
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#13937146 Hellabud wrote:

#13937132 Infidelux wrote:

#13937129 Infidelux wrote:

The rotation I use is:
LL-LA-EB-LA-<swap>-VF-LA-SP-HA-HA-<swap>

Pretty similar but it includes heavy attacks for sustain. Even with 52k magicka, I can burn through that in 2.5 rotations without heavy attacks.

Some notes- weave in Spellpower pots and surge so they are up 100% and have someone toss elemental drain on the dummy while doing the parse.

Gear wise, I'm using Siroria's/Necropotence/Illambris. I use both pets with a flame staff on my LL/EB bar and Lightning staff on the other with opposing enchants so that I can proc both the fire and lightning illambris procs at the same time.

Keep in mind also that CP plays a big part in the numbers you hear people talking about but 25k should definitely be attainable on a dummy at your CP level.



for a parse, if you're using pots- you won't need surge because the other benefit it gives you in a real fight isn't needed (healing on crit). You can replace it with inner light which will boost your magicka or Bound Aegis which will also boost your magicka (for pet sorcs, more magicka = more pet damage = more dps)




When using 2 Heavy attacks in rotation, doesn't LL and EB fall off before you get back around to it? Another question, what is SP in your rotatioin?

On my front bar i use prey, 2 pets, inner light, and bound aegis.
Back bar has LL, EB, HW, 2 pets.

I do use essence of spell power (I think that is the name of it). I will make the tweaks that has been suggested and see what i get.

That would be a typo. DP is what it should be..

Looks like you have your shield on the bar for the parse. I stopped using it altogether and put inner light on both bars. I use the matriarch for the flappy bird so if I get into trouble where the healer is down or not healing me, I'll use it as an oh shit heal. It still does comparable dps while adding the survivability aspect. It uses enough magicka to discourage overuse.

Basically, I heavy attack until LL is about to drop then swap and start the rotation over. Ulti on cooldown. Atro for single target boss, destro for boss+adds.
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#13937170 Jan 07, 2019 at 04:02 PM
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#13937152 Infidelux wrote:

#13937146 Hellabud wrote:

#13937132 Infidelux wrote:

#13937129 Infidelux wrote:

The rotation I use is:
LL-LA-EB-LA-<swap>-VF-LA-SP-HA-HA-<swap>

Pretty similar but it includes heavy attacks for sustain. Even with 52k magicka, I can burn through that in 2.5 rotations without heavy attacks.

Some notes- weave in Spellpower pots and surge so they are up 100% and have someone toss elemental drain on the dummy while doing the parse.

Gear wise, I'm using Siroria's/Necropotence/Illambris. I use both pets with a flame staff on my LL/EB bar and Lightning staff on the other with opposing enchants so that I can proc both the fire and lightning illambris procs at the same time.

Keep in mind also that CP plays a big part in the numbers you hear people talking about but 25k should definitely be attainable on a dummy at your CP level.



for a parse, if you're using pots- you won't need surge because the other benefit it gives you in a real fight isn't needed (healing on crit). You can replace it with inner light which will boost your magicka or Bound Aegis which will also boost your magicka (for pet sorcs, more magicka = more pet damage = more dps)




When using 2 Heavy attacks in rotation, doesn't LL and EB fall off before you get back around to it? Another question, what is SP in your rotatioin?

On my front bar i use prey, 2 pets, inner light, and bound aegis.
Back bar has LL, EB, HW, 2 pets.

I do use essence of spell power (I think that is the name of it). I will make the tweaks that has been suggested and see what i get.

That would be a typo. DP is what it should be..

Looks like you have your shield on the bar for the parse. I stopped using it altogether and put inner light on both bars. I use the matriarch for the flappy bird so if I get into trouble where the healer is down or not healing me, I'll use it as an oh shit heal. It still does comparable dps while adding the survivability aspect. It uses enough magicka to discourage overuse.

Basically, I heavy attack until LL is about to drop then swap and start the rotation over. Ulti on cooldown. Atro for single target boss, destro for boss+adds.



Ok. I actually do the same thing the the bird I use it as a personal healer. and will do what you suggested. Doing the drain this was my parse:

Your text to link here...

#13937171 Jan 07, 2019 at 04:03 PM
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#13937174 Jan 07, 2019 at 04:07 PM
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Ok. so realistically at my CP what kind of dps should i expect on a parse? Don't get me wrong i know a dummy parse isn't everything as in a real fight mechs, chemistry, etc play in to it. I guess i just want to be comfortable knowing I can hold my own in a fight and not holding a team back.
#13937184 Jan 07, 2019 at 04:33 PM
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Two other things:

Light attacks constitute the largest amount of damage on most builds at this point in the game. Download Light attack helper and see what sort of improvements can be made to get more light attacks into the rotation. If you have a dedicated healer, try replacing the second pet with force pulse and mages wrath, which you can light attack in front of each of those skills.

You seem to need a lot of heavy attacks. Someone running elemental drain and/or an absorb Magicka enchant on you elemental blockade bar might be a good idea. If you find that you still need to heavy attack a lot, you might try using infallible aether rather than Julianos for the heavy attack bonus.

Like everyone else pointed out, potion uptime, CPs, someone running ele drain, and having a vMA staff will all contribute to your damage. Keep working on it, and you’ll get it!
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#13937190 Jan 07, 2019 at 04:50 PM
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#13937184 Sabretusks wrote:

Two other things:

Light attacks constitute the largest amount of damage on most builds at this point in the game. Download Light attack helper and see what sort of improvements can be made to get more light attacks into the rotation. If you have a dedicated healer, try replacing the second pet with force pulse and mages wrath, which you can light attack in front of each of those skills.

You seem to need a lot of heavy attacks. Someone running elemental drain and/or an absorb Magicka enchant on you elemental blockade bar might be a good idea. If you find that you still need to heavy attack a lot, you might try using infallible aether rather than Julianos for the heavy attack bonus.

Like everyone else pointed out, potion uptime, CPs, someone running ele drain, and having a vMA staff will all contribute to your damage. Keep working on it, and you’ll get it!



I will definitely check out your suggestions and test and see what I get. Just curious about adding 2 more skills and 2 more light attacks without my DOt's falling off before i get back to them to refresh, but will test to see how it feels and what it does.


Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I appreciate it.
#13937191 Jan 07, 2019 at 06:52 PM · Edited 12 days ago
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Low-mid 30s would be a good target for 300CP. 30k is more realistic, 32-35 would be *really* good for self-buffed. If you don't have Ele Drain going, drop it by another 2-3k easily.

Your potion uptime still needs work. That should be at 100%, period. You have 29% of that parse where you're missing +20% spell damage and crit, since it looks like you still don't have Inner Light on.

Your Light Attack damage is also really low, that tells me you're missing LAs between casts, so that's a sizeable chunk of damage missing. Light Attacks should be one of, if not THE highest source of damage on your parse.

I also slightly disagree with that rotation. Try the below:

Liquid Lightning
Light Attack
Blockade
Bar Swap
Light Attack
Volatile Familiar
Light Attack
Twilight (unless the target is in execute range, then don't bother, its damage blows after 50%)
Light Attack
Daedric Prey
Heavy Attack
Bar Swap & Restart

Hit your potion the second it's back up, hit Atro on cooldown, and put both Inner Light and Bound Aegis on your front bar with the Destro Ulti slotted (Atro should be back bar, you lose the Destro passive if you don't have the Ultimate slotted on the front bar and you WANT that passive for extra damage). Spend as little time on the Atro bar as possible, you want to be on the bar with Aegis and Inner Light for the increased damage.

Hope that's helpful.
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#13937194 Jan 07, 2019 at 06:56 PM
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Nah, don't bother with Force Pulse yet unless you continue to have serious issues, you should be fine with the current skills and two pets. Just get the timing down and work on speeding it up. Like Sabre said, Light Attacks are big. Work on those.
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#13937195 Jan 07, 2019 at 06:59 PM
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Oh, also - run the Mage for mundus. Your damage scales from Max Magicka as a Pet Sorc. Penetration is good but not as valuable. Your Max Magicka is lower than it should be in this build, that'll help.
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#13937203 Jan 07, 2019 at 05:12 PM · Edited 14 days ago
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Your light attacks are roughly .33/second. You want them to be above .7 if possible or even higher.

Come to my event this Saturday if you can. We will be talking all about light attack weaving and how to enhance your LA/S


Sign up here http://vanquishguild.info/events/880322?event_instance_id=15437821

Several tweaks to your rotation, enchants, buff/debuff uptimes and gearing will make a world of difference. If your not sorted by then, we can get you situated.

Also, if you have aspirations of running vet trials and truly maximizing your damage, taking a look at non-pet sorc, or FragSorc, and giving that a try is a good idea early. Pet sorc is an easy rotation, amazing for soloing and does good damage. In trials or vDLC's those pets often get killed leaving you significantly impaired.

It might not be time to check it out quite yet, but something to think about.
#13937210 Jan 07, 2019 at 05:26 PM
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#13937195 Ixtyr Falavir wrote:

Oh, also - run the Mage for mundus. Your damage scales from Max Magicka as a Pet Sorc. Penetration is good but not as valuable. Your Max Magicka is lower than it should be in this build, that'll help.




Cool, i will make the adjustments(I have downloaded the light attack help as suggest already) and practice. From what you are saying I spend way too much time on the wrong bar. Id say around 65% or better on the bar with Atro on it.

Thanks again for everyone's help.
#13937212 Jan 07, 2019 at 05:27 PM · Edited 14 hours ago
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#13937203 Colby wrote:

Your light attacks are roughly .33/second. You want them to be above .7 if possible or even higher.

Come to my event this Saturday if you can. We will be talking all about light attack weaving and how to enhance your LA/S


Sign up here http://vanquishguild.info/events/880322?event_instance_id=15437821

Several tweaks to your rotation, enchants, buff/debuff uptimes and gearing will make a world of difference. If your not sorted by then, we can get you situated.



I will try my best to make it. I have read about animation cancel but have yet to perfect it not sure if it is lag or what but it only seems to work half the time to be honest.
#13937257 Jan 07, 2019 at 07:15 PM · Edited 14 days ago
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If I catch you online let’s see if we can go over it together
#13937285 Jan 07, 2019 at 07:49 PM
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#13937257 Colby wrote:



If I catch you online let’s see if we can go over it together



Sounds good to me. I am online most nights, and sometimes during the day. Just let me know your schedule.

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And this folks, is how its done. Post, ask advice, be willing to take advice. Good on you, Hellabud!